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I listened to this segment on NPR’s “The Takeaway” when I was driving home from school today.

Here’s their description of it:

Matt Bockenfeld, a high school social studies teacher at Fishers High School in Fishers Indiana, and Gloria Ladson-Billings, professor emerita at the University of Wisconsin Madison and former Kellner Family chair in urban education joined The Takeaway to discuss how educators are attempting to talk to their students about systemic racism.

It’s definitely worth your time.

I’m adding it to New & Revised: Resources To Help Us Predominantly White Teachers To Reflect On How Race Influences Our Work.